waiting period before PCT

[DADAWG]

im as guilty as the next person of using the same canned answer for certain esters as far as waiting times to start post cycle therapy [ PCT ]
most of us will say 2 weeks for cyp and eth , 3 weeks for deca and eq etc.
heres the problem with doing this if your running test x with a 8 day half life and you are running 400 mg a week there is a dramatic difference between the amount of test x still in your system after 2 weeks if you were running 1500 mg . someone smarter than me could graph out actual blood levels using cyp or anything for that matter using those doses but the point is the waiting period should be adjusted accordingly or as in-human posted in another thread a cruise period at the end of a cycle with lower doses to allow the blood levels to come back to earth .
lets hear what you guys think .

[liftsiron]

im as guilty as the next person of using the same canned answer for certain esters as far as waiting times to start post cycle therapy [ PCT ]
most of us will say 2 weeks for cyp and eth , 3 weeks for deca and eq etc.
heres the problem with doing this if your running test x with a 8 day half life and you are running 400 mg a week there is a dramatic difference between the amount of test x still in your system after 2 weeks if you were running 1500 mg . someone smarter than me could graph out actual blood levels using cyp or anything for that matter using those doses but the point is the waiting period should be adjusted accordingly or as in-human posted in another thread a cruise period at the end of a cycle with lower doses to allow the blood levels to come back to earth .
lets hear what you guys think .


That's exactly correct, pct should take into account the total mgs ran during the cycle then base pct on the drug with the longest halflife. Pct should start later in a cycle that uses 1 gram test than in a cycle that uses 500mgs. I think that when the drug is estimated to be below 250mgs active, pct can begin. I don't feel that a cruise peroid is necessary because the drug tapers it's self down.

[JohnnyB]

It's ture we always say 2 weeks for cyp, when it should be more like 2 and a half. Curise is just another word for typer, so you don't need to do that when using higher doses, just wait longer. The roid calculator in my sig can be used by first entering a dose of 400mg for 10 weeks, see where levels are at in 2 weeks, then put in what ever dose you're going to do and see how much time it take to get to the level you'd be at if you only used 400mg.

JohnnyB

[In-Human]

Guys, can I say just one thing here bout cycles and PCT then I won't say another word on it, do we all get the same reaction from the same gear and PCT?, does everyones body handle each chemical in the same fashion?, I really beleive its an individual thing that takes sometime to aquire, I understand we have guidelines that we think are correct but I think each person is different, just my .02 cents worth...

[liftsiron]

Guys, can I say just one thing here bout cycles and PCT then I won't say another word on it, do we all get the same reaction from the same gear and PCT?, does everyones body handle each chemical in the same fashion?, I really beleive its an individual thing that takes sometime to aquire, I understand we have guidelines that we think are correct but I think each person is different, just my .02 cents worth...


Well said and I agree 100%.

[CO-B16]

i have posted the same question all over the web, and i have got some answers that puzzle me... it seems common sense that if someone is taking 500mgs a week at time of the half life it will be at 250mgs, but if someone is taking 1500mgs a week, at time of the half life it will be at 750mgs...i have always looked for a more definate answer to this question...

[JohnnyB]

Guys, can I say just one thing here bout cycles and PCT then I won't say another word on it, do we all get the same reaction from the same gear and PCT?, does everyones body handle each chemical in the same fashion?, I really beleive its an individual thing that takes sometime to aquire, I understand we have guidelines that we think are correct but I think each person is different, just my .02 cents worth...No reason to not say more, we're here to learn for one another there are no gurus here. We need to find what works for us and go with it. I've read most of building the perfect beast and will say I would never do what he recommends, but there are some guys that suggest it to others. I've even seen one of them suggest it to a women which I thought was irresponsable.

I know or should I say I think I know that you go by the DC view of gear. I can't say one way or the other what I think about his method because I'm not familar with it. I believe he suggests the cruise method but this is during a long cycle you raise and lower test doses, which seem like a good idea to me. If he suggets the cruise before pct it just seems like the old typer method, which we let the ester do for us. Help us to understand what this is about we don't know everything, at least I know I don't.

JohnnyB

[Mudge]

i have posted the same question all over the web, and i have got some answers that puzzle me... it seems common sense that if someone is taking 500mgs a week at time of the half life it will be at 250mgs, but if someone is taking 1500mgs a week, at time of the half life it will be at 750mgs...i have always looked for a more definate answer to this question...

I've never seen an actual half life chart, only active half life, which supposedly is around 5 actual half lives (Billy_Bathgate).

I just go straight into my PCT and run it for around 6 weeks, but my goals are not the same as everyones. If I recouperate 70% I dont really give a hoot right now.

[DADAWG]

thank goodness for hrt . no more pct for me :)

[JohnnyB]

thank goodness for hrt . no more pct for me :):D

JohnnyB

[ctgblue]

thank goodness for hrt . no more pct for me :)
I still wish I could be natural, but HRT makes that impossible for me, so you might as well grow some.
I'd just really learned to grow natty too!!!! :bang:

[In-Human]

No reason to not say more, we're here to learn for one another there are no gurus here. We need to find what works for us and go with it. I've read most of building the perfect beast and will say I would never do what he recommends, but there are some guys that suggest it to others. I've even seen one of them suggest it to a women which I thought was irresponsable.

I know or should I say I think I know that you go by the DC view of gear. I can't say one way or the other what I think about his method because I'm not familar with it. I believe he suggests the cruise method but this is during a long cycle you raise and lower test doses, which seem like a good idea to me. If he suggets the cruise before pct it just seems like the old typer method, which we let the ester do for us. Help us to understand what this is about we don't know everything, at least I know I don't.

JohnnyB

Yes I understand where you are coming from, and in my years of this I have tried many different ways with clients, it always seems to pan out different for each person, but anyway I think with the cruise-blast period especially for the guy who is on all year long, trust me I see more than I like to, but guys do it, the idea with a cruise every 4-12 weeks is to try and keep somewhat of a check on your HPTA, I know even 50 mgs and its off but I think this gets your system ready for you to come off completely, so I beleive the taper works great with PCT right away...

[Mudge]

I really felt like low dose anti-a helped me out during my cycle, and helped me between.