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DRveejay11
05-29-2004, 08:22 PM
BY: Mr. Biceps @ AnabolicFreakz

"Things I've learned from over 25 years of Bodybuilding ;)"

I put this here so everyone will have a chance to see it. I hope thats okay.

Heres some things Ive learned and would like to share with others. In no way am I saying this is the gospel. Its just my way of helping those I can.

1. THE CHEST IS A SMALL MUSCLE GROUP LIKE THE ARMS. DONT PERFORM TOO MANY SETS FOR THIS MUSCLE GROUP,UNLESS YOUR EXTREMELY GENETICALLY GIFTED IN THIS AREA.

2. MY SHOULDERS TAKE A POUNDING ON CHEST WORK AND MY ANTERIOR DELTS ARE EASY TO OVERTRAIN DUE TO THIS FACTOR . ONCE I OVERTRAIN THE ANTERIOR DELTS, I BEGAN TO GET WEAKER ON ALL PRESSING MOVEMENTS FOR THE CHEST. NEXT COMES THE ANTERIOR DELT PAIN. REGARDLESS OF HOW CONSISTENTLY I STICK WITH MY ROTATOR CUFF EXERCISES,MY SHOULDER ACHES AND THROBS WHEN I OVERTRAIN. THIS COULD HELP EXPLAIN WHY SO MANY GUYS IN THE GYM ARE HAVING SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF SHOULDER PAIN,"THEY ARE OVERDOING IT'!

3. ARMS GET LESS WORK FROM CHEST AND BACK THAN MANY THINK. I MUST HIT THE ARMS HARD WITHDIRECT EXERCISES IN ORDER TO GET THEN GROWING. INDIRECT WORK DOESNT SEEM TO MAKE A BIT OF DIFFERENCE FOR ME.

4. WORKOUTS PUSING THE 2 HOUR MARK WILL OVERTRAIN YOU IN SHORT ORDER IF DONE OVER TWICE A WEEK.

5. 4 WORKOUT DAYS PER WEEK IS OPTIMUM FOR MOST WHEN TRYING TO GAIN MASS.

6. I GET THE MOST OUT OF THE FIRST 5 SETS PER BODYPART, THEN I BEGIN GETTING LESS RESULTS FOR MY EFFORT. THATS WHY I USUALLY TRAIN MY BODYPARTS TWICE A WEEK FOR 4 TO 7 SETS. THIS ALLOWS ME TO STIMULATE MY MUSCLES WITH HEAVIER WEIGHT ON A MORE FREQUENT BASIS THEREFORE MAKING THEM GROW LARGER.

7. THE LATS AND QUADS CAN TAKE A LOT OF PUNISHMENT AND ARE MUCH HARDER TO OVERTRAIN THAN A SMALLER MUSCLE GROUP LIKE CHEST UNLESS YOUR SEVERLY LACKING THE GENETICS IN THOSE AREAS.

8. I MUST EAT EVEN WHEN I'M NOT HUNGRY INORDER TO KEEP UP MY WEIGHT OF 225 POUNDS.

9. CREATINE WORKS FOR ME A WHILE THEN IT QUITS WORKING.

10. REGARDLESS OF HOW HARD I TRY TO PUSH MORE WEIGHT OR GAIN MORE LEAN SIZE IT BECAME IMPOSSIBLE ONCE I HIT MY NATURAL GENETIC POTENTIAL. "DRUGS WERE THE ONLY THING THAT HELPED ME BREAK MY STRENGTH AND SIZE PLATEAU AND CONTINUES TO DO SO, NOT MY PARTICULAR TRAINING ROUTINE"!

11. GENETICALLY INFERIOR BODYPARTS CANT HANDLE AS MUCH TRAINING VOLUME AS GENETICALLY SUPERIOR BODYPARTS. WE ARE BORN WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MUSCLE FIBERS IN EACH AREA OF OUR BODY AND THERES NO WAY A PERSON BORN WITH A SMALL AMOUNT OF MUSCLE FIBER CAN GET AWAY WITH AS MUCH VOLUME AS A GUY WHO WAS BORN WITH LOTS OF FIBERS. MY CHEST OVERTRAINS EASY AND GETS VERY SORE. MY BICEPS-TRICEPS CAN HANDLE 20 SETS A WEEK LIKE LEE PRIEST AND NOT BE OVERTRAINING. HOWEVER I USUALLY ONLY NEED 12 INTENSE
SETS A WEEK ON ARMS TO GET A GOOD WORKOUT.

12. GUYS LIKE RONNIE COLEMAN HAVE NO BODYPARTS WITH
GENETIC INFERIORITY. THIS EXPLAINS WHY THEY CAN HANDLE SUCH A LARGE AMOUNT OF VOLUME.

13. I CAN STILL USE GOOD FORM AND PERFROM SOMEWHAT OF AN EXPLOSIVE STROKE TO HIT THE WHITE FIBERS IF I GET THE MIND MUSCLE LINK INORDER."THE MIND IS MY STRONGEST MUSCLE"

14. LACK OF SLEEP WILL KILL MY TRAINING PROGRESS AND ENTHUSIASM FOR TRAINING MORE THAN ANY OTHER SINGLE ASPECT.

15. ITS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO GAIN A LOT OF MASS AND LEAN OUT AT THE SAME TIME. THE ONLY TIME FOR ME WAS WHEN I FIRST STARTED TRAINING AND DURING MY FIRST STEROID CYCLE.

16. 12 DEGREE DECLINE PRESS OR INCLINE PRESSES HIT THE WHOLE PEC MASS MUCH BETTER THAN FLAT BENCH PRESS.

17. MEDIUM TO WIDE GRIP CHINUPS TO THE FRONT ARE THE ABSOLUTE BEST EXERCISE FOR WIDENING THE LATS.

18. "TRAIN ACCORDING TO YOUR GENETICS" IF THE ARMS OR CHEST IS A STRONG POINT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DO MORE SETS AND RECOVER MORE SO THAN A COUNTERPART WHO IS HAVING TROUBLE WITH THOSE MUSCLE GROUPS. ARNOLD HAD HUGE BI'S AND CHEST AND DID 40 SETS PER WEEK. YES THATS TOO MUCH IN MY OPINION BUT YOU GET THE POINT. DO NOT DO AS MUCH VOLUME FOR WEAKER GROUPS OR YOU WILL OVERTRAIN THEM.

19. THE MORE WATER RETENTION I EXPERIENCE AND THE MORE SLUGGISH I FEEL,THE MORE STRENGTH GAINS THAT COME. I GUESS ITS WATER COMPRESSION THAT GIVES ME THE EXTRA POWER.

20. GAINS ARENT GRADUAL FOR ME BUT COME ALL AT ONCE.

21. THE BASIC EXERCISES,NOT ISOLATION MOVEMENTS ARE STILL WHAT I DO MY BEST WITH AFTER ALL THESE YEARS. I LOVE FREE WEIGHTS BECAUSE THEY PRODUCE. NO FANCY MACHINE WORK HERE!

22. A LOT OF CARDIO OVERTRAINS ME. I DO NOT DO CARDIO ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THIS FACTOR.

23. TRAIN ARMS ON SEPERATE DAYS OF YOUR TORSO BECAUSE IT WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO USE THE MOST WEIGHT POSSIBLE IF THEY ARE PRE-FATIGUED FROM A TORSO WORKOUT. MORE WEIGHT EQUALS MORE GROWTH!

24. THE LOWER BACK IS EASILY OVERTRAINED AND TAKES MORE TIME TO RECOVER THAN OTHER MUSLCE GROUPS DUE TO ITS SMALL SIZE.

25. THE CALF MUSCLE ARE EASY TO OVERTRAIN UNLESS YOUR REALLY GIFTED IN THAT AREA.

26. WAIT A GOOD THREE MINUTES BETWEEN SETS WHEN TRYING TO GAIN STRENGTH ON A PARTICULAR EXERCISE.

27. CHANGING WORKOUT ROUTINES IS GOOD FOR BEATING BOREDOM BUT WILL DO LESS THAN YOU THINK TO ADD MORE SIZE TO YOUR BODY. FIND WHAT WORKS FOR YOUR PARTICULAR BODYTYPE AND DO IT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. CHANGING YOUR DRUG DOSAGES AND THE TYPE OF DRUGS YOU USE IS THE REAL KEY TO PROGRESSING ONCE YOU GET PAST YOUR "NATURAL GENETIC POTENTIAL".

28. PROTEIN IS VERY IMPORTANT BUT OVERALL CALORIE INTAKE IS MORE IMPORTANT WHEN TRYING TO ADD BULK. WITHOUT AN INCREASE IN CALORIES ALL THE PROTEIN IN THE WORLD WONT HELP YOU GROW. IT TAKE MORE THAN TUNA AND EGG WHITES TO GET MASSIVE. THOSE DIETS ARE STRICKLY FOR ENDOMORPHS AND PRE-COMPETITORS.

29. STAYING LEAN YEAR ROUND WILL HOLD YOU BACK ON YOUR ENDEAVORS TO GET BIG AS POSSIBLE. G-S IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF ONE EATING A LOT OF CALORIES IN ORODER TO GET BIG AS POSSIBLE. IT'S WORKING FOR HIM! JUST DONT EAT TWO BOXES OF GIRL SCOUT COOKIES FOR A SNACK! GOOD GRIEF? LOL

30. THE MORE TIMES I USE A PARTICULAR DRUG THE LESS SIDE EFFECTS I EXPERIENCE "IN EXCEPTION TO ANADROL". DROL ALWAYS MAKES ME FEEL BAD.

31. IT TAKES MORE THAN GREAT GENETICS TO LOOK LIKE THE PRO'S. BE WILLING TO SPEND MEGA BUCKS ON VARIOUS DRUGS EACH MONTH IF YOU PLAN ON GETTING THAT LOOK.

32. I SEE TO MANY GUYS UNDERTRAINING THESE DAYS. IN THE 80'S MOST WERE OVERTRAINING BUT I FEEL MANY ARE GOING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND UNDERTRAINING THESE DAY. I SEE GUYS DOING 3 TO 5 SETS ONCE PER WEEK FOR BIG MUSCLE GROUPS AND THEY DONT EVEN LOOK LIKE THEYVE EVER DONE A STEROID CYCLE. YOU'LL NEVER HAVE 20 INCH ARMS ON 3 SETS A WEEK. BUT YOU CAN MAINTAIN THEM ON THREE SETS ONCE THEY ARE BUILT UP. BUIDING NEW MUSCLE IS VERY HARD BUT MAINTAING A MUSCLE ONCE ITS BUILT UP IS REALATIVELY EASY AND TAKES VERY LITTLE WORK. DORIAN YATES PERFORMED 8 TO 12 SETS TWICE A WEEK IN HIS EARLY GROWING DAYS. NO JOKE! THEN HE DROPPED THE VOLUME WITH THE USE OF HEAVY DUTY TECHNIQUES LATER ON IN HIS CAREER AND INJURED HIMSELF TO THE POINT OF BEING DISABLED FROM BODYBUILDING. NOT GOOD!

33. HOW MUCH ONE CAN PERFORM ON A PARTICULAR EXERCISE, FOR EXAMPLE "BENCH PRESS," MEANS NOTHING UNLESS YOU CAN COMPARE IT TO THE FORM ANOTHER IS USING DOING JUST AS MUCH WEIGHT. I CAN ADD ALOT OF WEIGHT TO MY BENCH WHEN I BOUNCE AND EXPLODE THE WEIGHT UP. OVER 400 POUNDS IS NO PROBLEM WITH THAT KIND OF FORM. HOWEVER I WORK OUT WITH 305-325 POUNDS TO FEEL THE CHEST MUSCLES WORKING AND NOT THE DELTS AND TRI'S SO MUCH.

34. IT TAKES MORE THAN GREAT MUSCLE FIBERS TO BE BIG AND LEAN. IT TAKES A METABOLISM THAT ALLOWS ONE TO HOLD ONTO LARGE AMOUNTS OF MUSCLE TISSUE WHILE GETTING LEAN. THAT GENETIC HAND ME DOWN CAN BE TOUGH TO ACCEPT.

35. NOTHING IVE TAKEN COMPARES TO THE RESULTS OR FEELING I GET FROM TESTOSTERONE. IF I COULD DO ONLY ONE DRUG IT WOULD BE TESTOSTERONE.

36. OVERTRAINING THE JOINTS,LIGAMENTS AND TENDONS IS THE REAL DANGER OF OVERDOING IT, NOT SO MUCH THE MUSCLE ITSELF. THE KEY IS TO STIMULATE THE MUSCLE AS HARD AS YOU CAN WITHOUT OVER STRESSING THE JOINTS.

37. EXTREMES IN FORM ARE A WASTE OF TIME. EXTREMELY SLOW REPS DO NOT ALLOW ONE TO USE ENOUGH WEIGHT TO BLAST THE WHITE MUSCLE FIBERS WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT CAUSE THE MOST GROWTH. MOVE THE BAR TOO FAST TOO THE POINT OF BOUNCING OR LETTING MOMENTUM TAKE OVER AND YOU DONT TRAIN ANYTHING BUT YOUR JOINTS. STAY AT HOME IF YOUR NOT GOING TO DO IT RIGHT OR YOU'LL EVENTUALLY HAVE TO STAY AT THE HOUSE DUE TO AN INJURY..

38. JUST BECAUSE A PARTICULAR DRUG WORKS FOR MANY DOESNT MEAN ITS GOING TO WORK FOR YOU.UTILIZE THE DRUGS OR DRUG COMBO THAT WORKS FOR YOU. THEN PLAY AROUND WITH THE DOSAGES TO SEE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOUR PARTICUALR BODY. DONT OVERDOSE!I NEED AT LEAST A GRAM OF TEST PER WEEK BUT SOME MAY ONLY NEED 750MGS. OTHERS MORE.

39. PRESSBEHIND THE NECK WORKS ALL THREE HEADS OF THE DELT. DONT BRING THE BAR DOWN BELOW THE EARS IF YOU HAVE ROTATOR CUFF PROBLEMS.

40. NEVER DO PULLDOWNS TO THE REAR BECAUSE IT WILL HURT YOUR ROTATOR CUFF.

41. NEVER BRING THE BAR DOWN TO THE NECK WHEN DOING BENCH PRESSES. BRING THE BAR TO THE LOWER CHEST TO KEEP FROM INJURING THE DISK IN THE NECK AND THE SHOULDER CAPSULES.

42. 12 DEGREE DECLINE PRESS IS THE ONLY PRESSING MOVEMENT THAT MAKES MY WHOLE CHEST SORE. 30 DEGREE DECLINES, FLAT BENCH PRESS, AND 30 PLUS DEGREES ON INCLINES WORK MY ANTERIOR DELTS WAY TOO MUCH.

42. LEG EXTENSIONS STINK AT BUILKDING LEG MASS. THE SQUAT IS THE KING OF ALL LEG EXERCISES.

43. PUT SOME SMALL 10 POUND PLATES UNDER YOUR HEELS WHEN SQUATTING INORDER TO TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSUE OFF THE LOWER BACK. PUSH WITH THE HEELS FOR QUAD SIZE.

44. NEVER DO OVER 20- 25 SETS IN ANY GIVEN WORKOUT. IT WILL OVERTRAIN YOUR CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM AND YOU WILL BECOME VERY SLUGGISH WITH NO DESIRE TO TRAIN AMONG OTHER THINGS.

45. DONT BE A BULLY OR HAVE AN ARROGANT ATTITUDE TOWARDS OTHERS IN THE GYM,ETC. YOU WILL LOSE WHAT RESPECT YOU'VE TRIED TO GAIN IN THE EYES OF OTHERS. IVE SEEN THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN. BE A "GENTLE GIANT" NOT A BAD ASS PRICK! ALMOST EVERYONE HATES THOSE GUYS REGARDLESS OF HOW BIG THEY BECOME.

46. HAVE A LIFE OUTSIDE THE GYM OR YOU'LL BURN YOURSELF OUT AND EVERYONE ELSE OUT AROUND YOU. THERES MORE TO LIFE THAN LIFTING WEIGHTS. THERES SEX!...

47. IF YOUR GETTING BURNED OUT WITH COMMERCIAL GYMS BUY YOUR OWN HOME GYM AS I DID. I NO LONGER HAVE TO WAIT ON EQUIPMENT AND I CAN STAY ON ANY PARTICULAR MACHINE FOR AS LONG AS MY SWEATY BODY DESIRES.

48. LISTEN TO WHAT SMALLER GUYS THAN YOURSELF HAVE TO SAY ABOUT TRAINING. MANY TIMES THEIR ADVISE ON EXERCISE PERFORMANCE AND SUCH IS MORE HELPFUL THAN WHAT THE BIGGER BOYS ARE PREACHING.

49. UNLESS YOUR IN A HARDCORE UNDERGROUND GYM OF SOME SORT, DONT BE YELLING AND SCREAMING DURING YOUR SETS. EVERYONE,WOMAN INCLUDED WILL THINK YOUR AN IDIOT. YELLING IS NEVER NECCESARY UNLESS YOU HAVE A WEIGHT STUCK ON YOUR CHEST.

50. IF YOU WORKOUT WITHOUT A SPOTTER LIKE MYSELF HAVE A SPECIALLY MADE SAFETY DEVISE FOR EXERCISES LIKE THE BENCHPRESS SO YOU CAN RACK THEM AT A LOWER POINT IN THE LIFT IN CASE YOU CANT MAKE IT ALL THE WAY BACK UP. IVE ALSO SEEN GUYS IN THE PUBLIC GYMS GET WEIGHTS STUCK ON THEIR CHEST FOR A VERY LONG TIME BEFORE ANYONE CAME TO THIER AID. "IT COULD BE DEADLY" DONT MESS AROUND WITHOUT A PLAN.

51. SUPER SETS,PRE EXHAUSTION AND SUCH ARE GOOD FOR SOME BUT NOT FOR ME. ONE STRIP SET PERFORMED AFTER A STRAIGHT SET SAY 30 SECONDS LATER IS THE ONLY THING IVE FOUND THAT BUILDS UP OR KEEPS UP MY STRENGTH. MOST OF THE TIME I PERFORM STRAIGHT SETS BECAUSE THEY WORK!

52. IF A PARTICULAR EXERCISE IS UNCAPABLE OF MAKING YOU SORE DEEP DOWN INTO THE MUSCLE FIBERS YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME WITH IT. FOR EXAMPLE: IF YOUR FRONT DELTS ARE GETTING SORE FROM BENCH PRESS AND NOT YOUR WHOLE CHEST THEN MOVE TO ANOTHER EXERCISE. HOWEVER YOU WONT GET SORE THAT MUCH ONCE YOU PROGRESS BUT YOU'LL KNOW FROM PAST EXPERIENCES WHICH EXERCISE IS RIGHT FOR YOU.

53. I'VE FOUND THAT BY SPENDING MORE TIME ON EXERCISE THAT COUNT,I CAN HIT MORE FIBERS AND GET MUCH BETTER RESULTS. FOR EXAMPLE" LYING TRICEP EXTENSIONS HIT ALL THREE HEADS OF THE TRICEP WHERE AS PUSHDOWNS DO NOT. THEREFORE I GAIN MORE BY DOING JUST THAT ONE EXERCISE FOR TRI'S. KIND OF LIKE GERMAN VOLUME TRAINING. MARKUS RUHL DOES A HIGH VOLUME APPROACH ON THE BASIC EXERCISES THAT COUNT AND HE LOOK LIKE A CARTOON CHARACTER!

54. CHANGING THE AMOUNT OF REST TAKEN ON KEY EXERCISES IS MORE PRODUCTIVE THAN CHANGING EXERCISES OR SETS FOR A PARTICULAR MUSCLE GROUP. FOR EXAMPLE: LETS SAY I DO FIVE SETS OF LYING TRICEP EXTENSIONS TWICE A WEEK. NORMALLY I WAIT 3 MINUTES BETWEEN SETS BUT FOR A CHANGE I COULD DROP THE WEIGHT AND REDUCE THE WAIT BETWEEN SETS TO 1 MINUTE. THIS KEEPS ME IN TUNE WITH THE MOVEMENT OF THE MOST IMPORTANT EXERCISES AND GIVES ME SOME VARIETY TO KEEP FOCUSED.

55. ISOLATION EXERCISES ARE FINE BUT THEY ARENT GOING TO MAKE YOU A MASS MONSTER LIKE THE BASIC EXERCISES. SURE ARNOLD DID A LOT OF FLYES IN HIS CAREER BUT JOE WEIDER HIMSELF ADMITTED IT WAS THE CHEST PRESSES THAT GAVE ARNOLD HIS AWESOME CHEST, NOT FLYES.

56. NEVER MAKE FUN OF ANOTHER GUYS BUILD. THATS SO NOT RIGHT. IF HE HAS A BIG CHEST AND NO ARMS ITS HIS GENETICS AND HE CANT DO A THING ABOUT IT. I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE PUT OTHERS DOWN FOR SOMETHING THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. REMEMBER THE GUY WITH NO ARMS IS PROBABLY TRAINING HARDER THAN THE GUYS WITH BIG ARMS!

57. EXPECT SOME TO GET JEALOUS OF YOU WHEN YOU PASS THEM UP ON SIZE. THEY ARE EASY TO SPOT. THEY NEVER COMPLIMENT YOU! LOL

58. 10 HOURS OF SLEEP IS BETTER THAN 8 WHEN IT COMES TO BODYBUILDING. CUT BACK YOUR TRAINING BACK TO THREE DAYS A WEEK IF YOU WORK SHIFT WORK. SHIFT WORK KILLS THE BODYS RECOVERING ABILITY. THE BODY WASNT DESIGNED TO WORK SHIFT WORK MORE LESS DO INTENSE WORKOUTS.

59. BE CAREFUL WITH HAMMER CURLS OR YOU'LL RUIN THE BRACHIALIS MUSCLE THAT CONNECTS TO THE FOREARM-BICEP. NO MORE THAN THREE OR FOUR SETS PER WEEK IN SLOW PERFECT FORM. THIS MUSCLE TEARS VERY EASILY!

60. YOUR LOWER BACK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO PROTECT WHEN LIFTING. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE A YEAR BECOME DISABLED OVER BACK PAIN. MANY OF THESE INJURIES ARE WEIGHT LIFTING RELATED. EXERCISES LIKE SQUATS CAN ACTUALLY HELP BUILD UP THE LOWER BACK AND KNEES CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF BUT IF DONE TOO HEAVY THEY WILL BLOW OUT A DISK AND POSSIBLY END YOUR BODYBUILDING CAREER FOR GOOD. TAKE CARE OF YOUR BACK AT ALL COST!

CO-B16
05-29-2004, 11:24 PM
good read...long read, but good read....

Naughty Nurse
05-30-2004, 12:54 PM
Some interesting and all valid points! Good read.

JohnnyB
05-30-2004, 02:35 PM
You think he would of learned how turn the cap lock off by now too:D

JohnnyB

house1
05-31-2004, 09:07 AM
You think he would of learned how turn the cap lock off by now too:D

JohnnyB


LMFAO

rado
03-07-2005, 02:01 PM
Awesome info on this here; and I missed it the last time:rolleyes:

BigSickD
03-07-2005, 02:26 PM
Damn that was long, interesting to say the least.

Deacon
03-11-2005, 07:07 AM
very good points he has there

liftsiron
03-11-2005, 12:55 PM
Good read.

IRON37
12-13-2008, 07:28 PM
old but good read..

liftsiron
12-15-2008, 05:50 AM
2. MY SHOULDERS TAKE A POUNDING ON CHEST WORK AND MY ANTERIOR DELTS ARE EASY TO OVERTRAIN DUE TO THIS FACTOR . ONCE I OVERTRAIN THE ANTERIOR DELTS, I BEGAN TO GET WEAKER ON ALL PRESSING MOVEMENTS FOR THE CHEST. NEXT COMES THE ANTERIOR DELT PAIN. REGARDLESS OF HOW CONSISTENTLY I STICK WITH MY ROTATOR CUFF EXERCISES,MY SHOULDER ACHES AND THROBS WHEN I OVERTRAIN. THIS COULD HELP EXPLAIN WHY SO MANY GUYS IN THE GYM ARE HAVING SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF SHOULDER PAIN,"THEY ARE OVERDOING IT'!


This was my favorite paragraph, as it fits nearly everyone.

Thate
12-15-2008, 08:52 AM
great read!

Deacon
12-15-2008, 02:06 PM
I like most of them - a few I would argue though

colossus
12-19-2008, 02:28 PM
42. 12 DEGREE DECLINE PRESS IS THE ONLY PRESSING MOVEMENT THAT MAKES MY WHOLE CHEST SORE. 30 DEGREE DECLINES, FLAT BENCH PRESS, AND 30 PLUS DEGREES ON INCLINES WORK MY ANTERIOR DELTS WAY TOO MUCH.

I have a lot of anterior delt problems, I had a surgery over a year and a half ago and I still get some problems. Do you guys see it as beneficial to train negative 12 degrees decline? I heard doing decline movements, at least in full tilt can give Men in general weird shaped chests if done too often? Would this even relate? Just looking to have a full chest routine without messin with my shoulders.

956Vette
12-20-2008, 01:55 AM
Sure was a good post

CO-B16
12-20-2008, 05:18 AM
I read the whole thing again, good info there.....Most of this is so true.....

Deacon
12-20-2008, 09:42 AM
42. 12 DEGREE DECLINE PRESS IS THE ONLY PRESSING MOVEMENT THAT MAKES MY WHOLE CHEST SORE. 30 DEGREE DECLINES, FLAT BENCH PRESS, AND 30 PLUS DEGREES ON INCLINES WORK MY ANTERIOR DELTS WAY TOO MUCH.

I have a lot of anterior delt problems, I had a surgery over a year and a half ago and I still get some problems. Do you guys see it as beneficial to train negative 12 degrees decline? I heard doing decline movements, at least in full tilt can give Men in general weird shaped chests if done too often? Would this even relate? Just looking to have a full chest routine without messin with my shoulders.


never heard of or saw anyone get a weird chest from delines - of course no one ever did enough decline or exclusive decline work to try that theory out either

finger
12-20-2008, 11:31 AM
Good read, nice hit on the cap locks I am still laughing

CO-B16
12-23-2008, 05:13 AM
never heard of or saw anyone get a weird chest from delines - of course no one ever did enough decline or exclusive decline work to try that theory out either

I read an article a long time ago about decline press and that it should only be incorporated every third chest workout....Probably some magazine or something like that....It said that the lower pec tends to grow faster than the upper and middle pec and if done every chest workout it can give an breast type slope where the lower pec is larger than the upper and middle....Kind of like a boob look.....I was not much of a decline kinda guy anyway, but i definately remember this pro's article.....I just do wide grip dips in every chest workout and thats about it for lower pecs.....

colossus
12-23-2008, 05:24 PM
I read an article a long time ago about decline press and that it should only be incorporated every third chest workout....Probably some magazine or something like that....It said that the lower pec tends to grow faster than the upper and middle pec and if done every chest workout it can give an breast type slope where the lower pec is larger than the upper and middle....Kind of like a boob look.....I was not much of a decline kinda guy anyway, but i definately remember this pro's article.....I just do wide grip dips in every chest workout and thats about it for lower pecs.....

Yep, you are who I heard this from. Do you think the 12% decline would be ok for every chest workout? I am just trying to take the front part of the shoulder out as much as I can.

Nigbo
12-23-2008, 05:53 PM
i see no benefit of ever doing an incline workout

CO-B16
12-24-2008, 03:21 AM
i see no benefit of ever doing an incline workout

Incline or Decline??? Incline has but on the most size on my pecs.....Gives that nice upper chest development, at least for me it does....A buddy i used to train with did mainly incline for his whole chest workout and had a sick chest....I know everyone is different and genetics are going to play the most part in the development of a muscle, but i believe in the incline and flat movements for a chest workout....All i do for chest is flat bench, incline bench, flat flys, incline flys, wide grip dips.....I alternate bb and db's every few workouts for the presses but thats it.....But as i said, everyone is different and needs to see what puts on the size for them....

Thate
12-24-2008, 08:46 AM
I love incline, but never do decline. It just isn't a natural movement and really bothers my shoulders.

IRON37
12-24-2008, 10:54 PM
I agree..decline is unnecessary for me. The only reason I think most guys do it is since you can tend to do more weight n it. makes them look stronger lol. If iwanna hit the lower pec I hit up the dips

liftsiron
12-25-2008, 04:40 AM
Inclines are superior for a well rounded chest and thick upper pecs.
While you can handle a lot of weight in declines, they tend to give you to much lower pec development which often looks saggy.