perfect lbm cycle

[razrblack]

ok bros,
i would like opinions on the perfect (or you version of) lean body mass cycle. i know that everyone responds differently, but i would still like to hear some thoughts.

i was thinking :

100 mg winny depot eod
300-500 primo depot / week
for 8 weeks
what do u think?

what would you do?

[FKITLETSGO]

weeks 1-12 RT EQ 400mg/week
weeks 6-12 Fina 75mg/day
weeks 1-12 RT prop 100mg eod
weeks 1-4 and weeks 8-12 Winny 50mg/day taken orally
weeks 1-12 arimidex as needed
weeks 1-12 HGH 4iu/day


I love kickstarting the cycle with Winny and finishing off with winny.

The cycle I outlined would be awesome lean mass builder however you'd be a pin cushon for 12 weeks. Your talking 20 pounds quality muscle with that cycle no fat added if combined with sound nutritional regimen and intense training program

[razrblack]

all i can say is WOW and OUCH! lol! that would be an awesone cycle though.

[FKITLETSGO]

You could use 25g for fina and prop. Just get tired of poking yourself. you would definately have to rotate spots using delts, glutes, bi's, tri's, calf's, thigh, and maybe even add a chest er two in. Peace

[takemo]

you could also take the fina eod,but the results may not be as good,but would cut down the amount of shots.i would also take the hgh for longer than 12 weeks.

[razrblack]

why hgh for longer than 12 weeks?

[Easto]

<!--QuoteBegin-razrblack+Jul 10 2003, 01:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (razrblack @ Jul 10 2003, 01:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> why hgh for longer than 12 weeks? [/b][/quote]
The longer you run HGH, the better.

If you only ran it for 12 weeks, you won't notice much from it.

[razrblack]

what are the benefits of hgh in short? i am going to read the profile of it, but i would like to hear some layman's terms.

[Easto]

Short term, you won't notice a whole lot.

[prolangtum]

<!--QuoteBegin-FKITLETSGO+Jul 10 2003, 09:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FKITLETSGO @ Jul 10 2003, 09:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> weeks 1-12 RT EQ 400mg/week
weeks 6-12 Fina 75mg/day
weeks 1-12 RT prop 100mg eod
weeks 1-4 and weeks 8-12 Winny 50mg/day taken orally
weeks 1-12 arimidex as needed
weeks 1-12 HGH 4iu/day


I love kickstarting the cycle with Winny and finishing off with winny.

The cycle I outlined would be awesome lean mass builder however you'd be a pin cushon for 12 weeks. Your talking 20 pounds quality muscle with that cycle no fat added if combined with sound nutritional regimen and intense training program [/b][/quote]
I like it, except i would modify a few things. I would frontload the EQ at 800mgs. So 1-11 EQ. And i would prop and tren 2 weeks past EQ, so to week 13. The way you had it set up, one would have to wait 2-3 weeks before strating clomid with nothing in there system.

[razrblack]

easto i didnt mean short term, i meant what are the benefits of hgh in a brief synopsis. lol!

[JohnnyB]

<!--QuoteBegin-prolangtum+Jul 10 2003, 04:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (prolangtum @ Jul 10 2003, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-FKITLETSGO+Jul 10 2003, 09:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FKITLETSGO @ Jul 10 2003, 09:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> weeks 1-12 RT EQ 400mg/week
weeks 6-12 Fina 75mg/day
weeks 1-12 RT prop 100mg eod
weeks 1-4 and weeks 8-12 Winny 50mg/day taken orally
weeks 1-12 arimidex as needed
weeks 1-12 HGH 4iu/day


I love kickstarting the cycle with Winny and finishing off with winny.

The cycle I outlined would be awesome lean mass builder however you'd be a pin cushon for 12 weeks. Your talking 20 pounds quality muscle with that cycle no fat added if combined with sound nutritional regimen and intense training program [/b][/quote]
I like it, except i would modify a few things. I would frontload the EQ at 800mgs. So 1-11 EQ. And i would prop and tren 2 weeks past EQ, so to week 13. The way you had it set up, one would have to wait 2-3 weeks before strating clomid with nothing in there system. [/b][/quote]
I'd the prop and fina 3 weeks passed the eq, the long ester in it takes 3 weeks before pct.

JohnnyB

[FKITLETSGO]

You guys are all absolutely right the prop and winny should be extended until right before clomid therapy to enable your body no time for testosterone crash

[FKITLETSGO]

Yes GH should be used for longer preferably atleast 6 months however 3 months is enough time to benefit from GH therapy

[rado]

Some great info on this thread....Good lay out for a lean cycle...

[IHateCrunches]

why is arimidex as needed.. shouldnt that be on a consistant basis..

[IHateCrunches]

Lbm cycle i would want...not for you but for me:

Wk 1-20 35-45mg var
Wk 3-18 375-500mg Test E
Wk 1-18 500ius HCG e4d
Wk 1-18 10mg Nolva ED
Wk 1-28 1.25mg Letro e3d (taper this down the last 2 weeks.. im experimenting)
PCT... 100/40 for 10 days, 50/20 for 30

-----ECA Stack for first 4 weeks and first 4 weeks of pct.. If i see a time aorund week 15 that i donjt make gains... i will throw in m1t for 1-1.5 weeks at 10mg

----- Might cut the enethate out for the last 4 weeks and run prop at 75mg eod to lower back down