first cycle for me

[jroger21]

I want to take it easy and saw that EASTO posted this once:


Effective First Cycle

Weeks 1-10
400mg Test Enan or Test Cyp

Week 12 (Day 1)
300mg Clomid
(Day 2 - 11)
100mg Clomid
(Day 12 - 21)
50mg Clomid


I am going to do 500/mg of TEST E and 20mg of DBOl first 4 weeks. BUT having said that why do I not start PCT until two wseeks after the cycle? I had seen this cycle right here posted before:


Compounds:
Testosterone enanthate or cypionate
Clomid
Nolvadex

Structure:
1-10 500mg/week of Test
12-14 150mg/day clomid
15-16 50mg/day clomid
12-16 40mg/day nolvadex

Most people will find they can use this cycle for at least their first two and will get reasonable and keepable gains from it. Does thius sound fine? Of course I would be throwing some DBOL in there weeks 1-4 to kick start the gains. My First cycle and I feel this would be safe.

[test-beast]

you start pct 2 weeks after your last shot of test because the test e ester lasts about 13 -14 days ,by day 14 all the test will be out of your system and you can start pct.

[Xframe]

Too much clomid. I cant even imagine the acne and emotions of 150-300mg daily. 50mg for the first 2 weeks along side of 20mg Nolva, and then 25mg clomid with 10mg nolva. I tend to only use a little bit of clomid after cycle, and use arimidex while on cycle. Makes coming off a little better. Becareful with pct drugs, they can really hinder your gains if youre not careful.

[jroger21]

I keep hearing about this arimedex...why is bloat such a big deal? If I am bulking why does it even matter if I use a bloat medicine? Just want some more insight thats all. Not arguing...

[test-beast]

I keep hearing about this arimedex...why is bloat such a big deal? If I am bulking why does it even matter if I use a bloat medicine? Just want some more insight thats all. Not arguing...

well bloat can make one look fat,moon face with an ai you can see what you are really gaining when your bloated your gains are somewhat coverd by the warter and it gives people a smooth look .

[FTC]

some people dont mind the bloating or moon face but i cant stand it. makes me feel like crap all the excess water you carry and look fat in the face. the simple test cycle is great for your first one, the dbol is ok too. you should see great results. id also advise against all that clomid in the first two weeks of pct.

you will have to see for yourself if you can handle the cycle without the arimidex or any AI. you can pick some up midway if you decide you need it.

like xframe stated the reason you dont start pct with the test enanthate is because of the enanthate ester. esters are what causes the hormone to be absorbed by your body faster or slower. enanthate is a long ester, deca would be longer, propinate would be shorter, etc... no ester would be immediately absorbed and needed to be shot daily or sooner. the esters will determine how frequently you will be administering the hormone as well as how long until you will start pct...

[jroger21]

some people dont mind the bloating or moon face but i cant stand it. makes me feel like crap all the excess water you carry and look fat in the face. the simple test cycle is great for your first one, the dbol is ok too. you should see great results. id also advise against all that clomid in the first two weeks of pct.

you will have to see for yourself if you can handle the cycle without the arimidex or any AI. you can pick some up midway if you decide you need it.

like xframe stated the reason you dont start pct with the test enanthate is because of the enanthate ester. esters are what causes the hormone to be absorbed by your body faster or slower. enanthate is a long ester, deca would be longer, propinate would be shorter, etc... no ester would be immediately absorbed and needed to be shot daily or sooner. the esters will determine how frequently you will be administering the hormone as well as how long until you will start pct...


excellent knowledge. Really do appreciate it, I will be taking a shot of 500mg every friday of TEST E. What about AI? What exactly does that stand for?

[FTC]

ai= aromatase inhibitor

one shot will work but the common practice is 2x 250 every week

[jroger21]

ai= aromatase inhibitor

one shot will work but the common practice is 2x 250 every week

Well I thought thats what the clomid and nolvadex are for though? To have them on hand.....

[RJH8541]

Well I thought thats what the clomid and nolvadex are for though? To have them on hand.....

An AI will act as an anti-estrogen, but it will also keep the water retention down. I particluarly don't think you need an AI unless yo uhave problems during your cycle. That is the shortcut to staying dry. Why do an extra drug if you don't have to right?

Yes, a bit if water will make you look smoother, but it also helps with strength and making gains. AIs hinder gains moreso than anti-e's do.

I say leave the AIs alone for now. Keep extremely hydrated. Water retention is due more to poor diet and lack of H2O than it is the drugs. If you eat shitty and don't drink water, you will bloat. Try and get at least 1-2 gals a day.

Your cycle looks fine. I like less test for a 1st one, but you'll be fine. Good luck.

THINK BIG. EAT BIG. LIFT BIG. GET BIG!!

[DADAWG]

An AI will act as an anti-estrogen, but it will also keep the water retention down. I particluarly don't think you need an AI unless yo uhave problems during your cycle. That is the shortcut to staying dry. Why do an extra drug if you don't have to right?

Yes, a bit if water will make you look smoother, but it also helps with strength and making gains. AIs hinder gains moreso than anti-e's do.

I say leave the AIs alone for now. Keep extremely hydrated. Water retention is due more to poor diet and lack of H2O than it is the drugs. If you eat shitty and don't drink water, you will bloat. Try and get at least 1-2 gals a day.

Your cycle looks fine. I like less test for a 1st one, but you'll be fine. Good luck.

THINK BIG. EAT BIG. LIFT BIG. GET BIG!!

damn good reply
that bloat makes you temporarily stronger but the extra strength allows you to lift heavier for more reps to make permenant strenght and size gains .
90% of the people who use a AI dont need it , if high bp is a concern then thats different.

[Scotsmark]

jroger, how old are you mate?
Have you done any research on AAS at all?
Not flaming here, but you seem very inexperienced about this whole thing.

[jroger21]

An AI will act as an anti-estrogen, but it will also keep the water retention down. I particluarly don't think you need an AI unless yo uhave problems during your cycle. That is the shortcut to staying dry. Why do an extra drug if you don't have to right?

Yes, a bit if water will make you look smoother, but it also helps with strength and making gains. AIs hinder gains moreso than anti-e's do.

I say leave the AIs alone for now. Keep extremely hydrated. Water retention is due more to poor diet and lack of H2O than it is the drugs. If you eat shitty and don't drink water, you will bloat. Try and get at least 1-2 gals a day.

Your cycle looks fine. I like less test for a 1st one, but you'll be fine. Good luck.

THINK BIG. EAT BIG. LIFT BIG. GET BIG!!

I will make sure to eat a ton of food like im doing now Probalby will hit around 6k calories a day.What is your leg routine like bro? Would like to mimic something like that for massbuilding purposes down there.

[jroger21]

jroger, how old are you mate?
Have you done any research on AAS at all?
Not flaming here, but you seem very inexperienced about this whole thing.


Yes I have bro. I just like to ask questions as well to reconfirm things that I have read and see things from other angles.

[Scotsmark]

Yes I have bro. I just like to ask questions as well to reconfirm things that I have read and see things from other angles.

Cool man, just checking. A lot of experienced guys on the boards overlook asking these questions in their haste to give advice, just looking out!