quick reality check for a lean bulk

[Sadie]

ok here is what i was thinking for a lean mass gain cycle and if i could get some opinions that would be awesome. I know its hard for you guys to really comment on what a chick should run but you all were really helpful on the nolva topic so i thought i would throw this out there

16 weeks

week 1-3
150 A WEEK Primo Ace(eod)
100 A WEEK EQ Ace(2xweek)
20mg novladex ED

weeks 3-16
300 primo Ace A WEEK (EOD)
200 EQ Ace A WEEK (2xweek)
20mg novla ED

from my understanding these 2 should be ok together. again.. been 100% virilization free and want to keep it that way. i was told to start them both off low and see if i start seeing any sign of sides. if there are none then get up to the higher dose and maintain for the duration. if my throat... or anything else... gets itchy to either back down the doses more or drop the EQ and run it seperately.

opinions?

[Ms.Wetback]

I have run both.

300mg Primo ................. IF it is legit, that is WAY to high for a woman IMO.
And on the EQ, 200 is doable.
16 weeks of long esters on a woman is going to emasculate you whether you like it or not. Run a chart and see how high your levels will be in 10-12 weeks never mind 16.

I will say this.............by the time you have any "symtoms" it will be to late as you are running long esters.

When I ran them both I ran Primo Ace and EQ Ace.
Both fast acting and are out of you in days not weeks.

[Sadie]

I have run both.

300mg Primo ................. IF it is legit, that is WAY to high for a woman IMO.
And on the EQ, 200 is doable.
16 weeks of long esters on a woman is going to emasculate you whether you like it or not. Run a chart and see how high your levels will be in 10-12 weeks never mind 16.

I will say this.............by the time you have any "symtoms" it will be to late as you are running long esters.

When I ran them both I ran Primo Ace and EQ Ace.
Both fast acting and are out of you in days not weeks.

i was going to use ace hun im not insane lol and the primo is legit but 200-300 is actually a moderate dose for most women from the people i have talked to... other then u hehe

[Ms.Wetback]

i was going to use ace hun im not insane lol and the primo is legit but 200-300 is actually a moderate dose for most women from the people i have talked to... other then u hehe

I will admit I am hyper-sensitive, which is nice in some sense because I can run a low dose and get the same effect.

And EQ ace also ? ? ?

[Sadie]

I will admit I am hyper-sensitive, which is nice in some sense because I can run a low dose and get the same effect.

And EQ ace also ? ? ?

yes gonna be ace all around i want it out asap at the very slightest sign of any nasty sides. and i am extremely insensitive to everything. i was on 20 var ed along with several other things and still had nothing but water and insomnia as sides

[Ms.Wetback]

You should do well.
Start a log when you begin I would love to see the strength changes and how you look.

Take beginning pics as well.

[Sadie]

You should do well.
Start a log when you begin I would love to see the strength changes and how you look.

Take beginning pics as well.

will do ill start posting my log over here on day one and stick by weekly pics up :) thanks hun

[Thate]

eq ace is basically dbol sadie

run what you have for weeks 1-3 throughout the entire cycle, i think the rest is dosed too high.

what happened to getting under 10%?

[Sadie]

eq ace is basically dbol sadie

run what you have for weeks 1-3 throughout the entire cycle, i think the rest is dosed too high.

what happened to getting under 10%?

im getting there first. i wanna make sure im not too mislead before i start this thats all. from what i have read and been told the higher doses were pretty normal solo but i havent heard how they are together. i wont be starting this til probably august. im finishing my cut then i have surgery and then a month off the gym for healing... ill start this once im back and able to lift which is prolly in the august time frame

[Thate]

300 primo Ace (EOD)
200 EQ Ace (2xweek)
20mg novla EDopinions?

that is approx 750 primo and 400eq per week, over a gram of juice is too much for you no matter how 'weak' they may seem imo.

[Sadie]

that is approx 750 primo and 400eq per week, over a gram of juice is too much for you no matter how 'weak' they may seem imo.

NOOO thats 300 a WEEK taken in small EOD doses and 200 A WEEK in twice weekly doses.. hell no im not doing 300 eod lol thats a total hehe sorry i havent written one of these out before hehe

[Thate]

damn ok lol, hell i could put on good mass of of that!

I still would not double up the dose after 3 weeks. I'd build up slowly each week up to your goal amount only if your body can handle it with minimum sides.

good luck!

[Deacon]

sounds good to me - you may even want to think about masteron some day - it worked well for one of my lady friends who ran it recently - she just popped out with muscle

[MR. BMJ]

Sadie, have you ever used Boldenone Acetate before?

Be forewarned that it is a painful inject, and it can cause flu-like symptoms for many users. Bold ace and bold prop have put many users in the dirt with their flu-like sides. I'm not exaggerating that, in fact, many sources were basically giving it away for awhile because they could not find anybody to take them. I think he acetate version is better than the prop though. Just wanted to give ya a heads up. It may work well for you though since it will obviously be in smaller doses than what most men take.

I'd be careful on the primo and make sure that it is for sure LEGIT. Too many people cutting corners these days for profits. The fact that SRCS has been shut down also doesn't help....for testing purposes.

BMJ

[makaveli25]

BMJ made many good points.. that shit will make you misserable.. if you haven;t gotten it yet i would run primo and var or something along those lines.. if you have it already get yourself some sterile cutting oil that may help a bit.. your gonna have to be ready for some shitty sides.

[Sadie]

im not too worried about the pain of the shot. I do body suspension for fun lol i ran var before and i honestly wasnt thrilled with the results. alot of water retention (20mg ED) and other then gaining strength.. muscle gain wasnt that impressive. i really want better gains with less water retention. the primo will be fine i was just worries about the dosing when EQ was added to it.

the only sides i have gotten is reallllly bad insomnia but i dont know how that will change with the EQ. I have never run it before.

[Deacon]

I have to agree that Bold Acetate can be painful - I think that is why it is not as popular as it should be

[Thate]

20mg of var ed for a female is a pretty heavy dose. 5 to 10mg is what many run solo. I've seen 15mg ed destroy the feminine appearance (frenchbread).

if you stack that 20mg ed with the primo I'd think you'd have more than enough juice in your system to grow on.

alot of times it isn't about the pain of a shot, it is the flu-like symptoms as BMJ pointed out that you can't just sweep under the rug.

[Ms.Wetback]

20mg of var ed for a female is a pretty heavy dose. 5 to 10mg is what many run solo. I've seen 15mg ed destroy the feminine appearance (frenchbread).

if you stack that 20mg ed with the primo I'd think you'd have more than enough juice in your system to grow on.


20mg of Var would kill me .......... I did great on 5mg and at 10mg I started with sides.

[rippedfreak]

ide drop all that shit, run some winny and just get some blood work..can hit your HDLs pretty hard

[Sadie]

well i didnt run var with primo and the only sides i got from it were insomnia and water retention. i ran 20mg var 3ius gh 75mcg t3 and my worthless clen lol i didnt really like the results and i would like to avoid orals if i can help it. i will do bloodwork before i do this cycle also just to make sure im all good.

i started at 10mg ed then upped it to 20 and really had no problem i seem to be extremely insensitive to all drugs including these which is why i listed the doses i did.

[rippedfreak]

how londg did you run em for

[Sadie]

how londg did you run em for

that cycle was my 2nd and 16 weeks

i had run an 8 week cycle prior to that which was 10mg var 2ius gh and albuteral. i wasnt at all happy with results so i came up with that other one and got only slightly better results. in general though it wasnt worth doing again seeing as how i have done better natty then on that stuff lol

[rippedfreak]

cough cough its your diet cough cough

[Sadie]

cough cough its your diet cough cough

im sure it is my results are way better now :) i have gained more muscle and lost more bf this way then on any cycle to this point. thank you for noticing :)

[OLYMPIAN]

One word: insulin.

[Sadie]

One word: insulin.

you are fuckin insane....good to know lol

[MR. BMJ]

Are you absolutely sure that your Var was real?

Ox is one of the most expensive compounds to manufacture because it is actually more complicated to produce in a lab, so many corners are cut to get the final product. This isn't counting the cutting agents used. I have a friend who works at a compounding pharmacy and tested a lot of places Ox (Chinese) and some came back at like 60-80% pure.....that means there were 20-40% contaminants involved, many of which are scary in the least. If you get 85-95% pure Ox, that is actually good stuff.

BMJ

[Sadie]

Are you absolutely sure that your Var was real?

Ox is one of the most expensive compounds to manufacture because it is actually more complicated to produce in a lab, so many corners are cut to get the final product. This isn't counting the cutting agents used. I have a friend who works at a compounding pharmacy and tested a lot of places Ox (Chinese) and some came back at like 60-80% pure.....that means there were 20-40% contaminants involved, many of which are scary in the least. If you get 85-95% pure Ox, that is actually good stuff.

BMJ

i am 100% the var was real it was caps from a very very reliable source. i got insomnia water retention, slight mood swings and oily skin which i kept in check pretty easily. also when i upped it to 20mg i stopped having my "time of the month" there is no way that shit was sugar lol i also just about doubled the weight i was working out with that cycle its just that i didnt really gain the muscle i thought i would. my training wasnt on spot either i was basically doing what i THOUGHT was correct which i wouldnt do now since i KNOW what is right lol

[Ms.Wetback]

I have to agree that Bold Acetate can be painful - I think that is why it is not as popular as it should be

Yeah but for the amount a woman takes it is not that bad at all.

[RJH8541]

Yeah but for the amount a woman takes it is not that bad at all.

Fuck that shit. lol

Sadie. I would like to know what your diet is like as well. Something just seems off.

As for cycling, I like the Primo/Var combo. 20mg is too much and is one reason why you had the edema.

And, although most will disagree, a very light dose of test prop is great for a woman IMO.

You can virilize on any drug, so just be careful whatever you do.

But I would like to see your diet. From what I can tell you have a great build, just need to refine it a bit.

Just my .02

[Sadie]

Fuck that shit. lol

Sadie. I would like to know what your diet is like as well. Something just seems off.

As for cycling, I like the Primo/Var combo. 20mg is too much and is one reason why you had the edema.

And, although most will disagree, a very light dose of test prop is great for a woman IMO.

You can virilize on any drug, so just be careful whatever you do.

But I would like to see your diet. From what I can tell you have a great build, just need to refine it a bit.

Just my .02

i will NEVER....EVER... do test of any kind... wait.. ya not EVER and my diet is fine i have dropped 7% bf in 2 months lol i havent worked out a clean bulk diet yet this cycle wont be happening for a few months still. once i get closer i will calc the diet and post it. i am still cutting for now

[OLYMPIAN]

Fuck that shit. lol

Sadie. I would like to know what your diet is like as well. Something just seems off.




if she posts her diet you will have a heartattack.

lets just say my 4 year old niece eats a bit more daily.:sucker::sucker:

[Sadie]

if she posts her diet you will have a heartattack.

lets just say my 4 year old niece eats a bit more daily.:sucker::sucker:

oly stfu im fuckin cutting it wont stay this way on a bulking cycle and you know that lol can u stop busting my ass please damn...

[Xframe]

Hmmm t3, hgh, 20mg var and clen and barely any results. Doesnt fit together.

[Sadie]

Hmmm t3, hgh, 20mg var and clen and barely any results. Doesnt fit together.

i gained strength and lots of water.. some muscle but i think that was partly cause my training wasnt as structured as it is now.

[Xframe]

The hgh was probably the culprit for water retention, and its extremely hard to gain muscle while on 75mcg T3. You werent running nearly enough anabolics to even out the catabolic effects of T3. And shame on you for cycling without structure :nono: :D EQ prop/ace has put down every bodybuilder that Ive encountered. I highly recommend against it. Im all for Primo/Var or Primo/winstrol.

[Sadie]

The hgh was probably the culprit for water retention, and its extremely hard to gain muscle while on 75mcg T3. You werent running nearly enough anabolics to even out the catabolic effects of T3. And shame on you for cycling without structure :nono: :D EQ prop/ace has put down every bodybuilder that Ive encountered. I highly recommend against it. Im all for Primo/Var or Primo/winstrol.

you dont think the var was responsible for the water? you are the first person to ever think that lol and ya ya at the time i thought my training was perfect i have redefined perfect since then . you guys are also the only people to ever not like EQ i have heard nothing but good things til this thread lol

[Xframe]

hgh has been known to instantly add water upon injection. I put on 3-4lbs in a couple days with no diet change and was bloated. Water retention is one main reason for carpel tunnel when on hgh, the water retention causes the wrists to swell. I highly doubt that it came from the var, but Im also not a woman so it could differ. However, women that I know that have used it have stayed water free, but they werent using 20mg ED. Boldenone is great, just not the prop/ace version. Even labs with painfree injects couldnt sell the shit. I wouldnt take it if it were free.

[Sadie]

hgh has been known to instantly add water upon injection. I put on 3-4lbs in a couple days with no diet change and was bloated. Water retention is one main reason for carpel tunnel when on hgh, the water retention causes the wrists to swell. I highly doubt that it came from the var, but Im also not a woman so it could differ. However, women that I know that have used it have stayed water free, but they werent using 20mg ED. Boldenone is great, just not the prop/ace version. Even labs with painfree injects couldnt sell the shit. I wouldnt take it if it were free.


well every woman i have ever known to run var complains of water retention and i am the only one that ran 20 ed hehe

maybe i should do Primo ace and EQ E?

[Xframe]

EQ E??? You mean regular boldenone? If youre going to cycle long enough, then that would be my choice. Hell you could inject once every 2 weeks and be fine. If you can find Boldenone Cypionate, that would work even better. Id take that over ED injects with liquid death...i mean eq ace. :D

[Sadie]

EQ E??? You mean regular boldenone? If youre going to cycle long enough, then that would be my choice. Hell you could inject once every 2 weeks and be fine. If you can find Boldenone Cypionate, that would work even better. Id take that over ED injects with liquid death...i mean eq ace. :D

lol ill see what i can get my hands on hehe i would just rather not deal with orals again its a real pain and you have to worry about alot of liver support. blah i would rather a shot to a pill anyday lol

[Xframe]

Welcome to the club of injection lovers.

[Sadie]

Welcome to the club of injection lovers.

oh i have been a member trust me lol
the ONLY concern with using a nonace for me is.. if sides start to occur they are pretty much a sure thing. atleast with a short ester its the hell outta my system quickly

[Xframe]

Hardly anyone has bad sides with boldenone. Anxiety, high RBC, ect comes from high doses. 200mg Boldenone should treat you well.

[Sadie]

ok ill check it out and see what i can do about that then... so 200 of that a week along with 300 primo ace sounds good then? with novla... assuming these headaches stop... every day i get a headache about an hour after i take it and it lasts about 2-4 hours before going away

[Thate]

if ur going to use reg eq, stick with your starting dose throughout the entire cycle. I wouldn't up that mid stream.

[Sadie]

if ur going to use reg eq, stick with your starting dose throughout the entire cycle. I wouldn't up that mid stream.

is ace as bad as everyone is saying? i would really refer ace but if its gonna make my life suck...

[Thate]

never used it myself, the horror stories speak for themselves imo. flu-like symptoms will ruin a cycle for me.

[Sadie]

ya that would suck shit... maybe ill get enough for a couple shots and see how i personally react to it.. if its disgusting ill switch

[Tbizzle]

One word: insulin.

agreed, no need to mess with your hormones and u will get gains better than on the cycle posted.

[RJH8541]

Hardly anyone has bad sides with boldenone. Anxiety, high RBC, ect comes from high doses. 200mg Boldenone should treat you well.

I agree. And bout the GH causing adema. Never had any clients have any probs with Var and water retention. Even @ 25mgs/d.

I would go with Primo/Var. Adding GH would certainly help with the lean mass retention and fat loss. I don't ever have any of my clients use T3. Too much rebound. All can be done without it IMO.

If you are gonna use EQ, I wouldn't go over 200mg every 2 weeks. Just not needed. At that dose, which will do wonders for a woman, you shouldn't have any virilization issues.

I'd still like to see your diet. :D PM if you like.

[Sadie]

I agree. And bout the GH causing adema. Never had any clients have any probs with Var and water retention. Even @ 25mgs/d.

I would go with Primo/Var. Adding GH would certainly help with the lean mass retention and fat loss. I don't ever have any of my clients use T3. Too much rebound. All can be done without it IMO.

If you are gonna use EQ, I wouldn't go over 200mg every 2 weeks. Just not needed. At that dose, which will do wonders for a woman, you shouldn't have any virilization issues.

I'd still like to see your diet. :D PM if you like.

i will consider the var but honestly... after the last experience with it im just not at all impressed. i wont bother with the t3 again and honestly doubt that i will even go the gh route (long bad story but i dont wanna order it basically)

my diet as of right now is basically nonexistant but it will be a completely different animal on this cycle as i will be trying to gain muscle and not just cut up like my goal is now

[RJH8541]

i will consider the var but honestly... after the last experience with it im just not at all impressed. i wont bother with the t3 again and honestly doubt that i will even go the gh route (long bad story but i dont wanna order it basically)

my diet as of right now is basically nonexistant but it will be a completely different animal on this cycle as i will be trying to gain muscle and not just cut up like my goal is now

I still haven't figured it out. Are you a BBer? Figure Competitor? Or just a curious gym rat? I think I asked before but don't remember and answer.

[Sadie]

HOPEFULLy eventually a competing bber lol I'm shooting for middle weight bbing. been in the gym for 13yrs lost 174lbs and im doing finishing touches now. and yes you asked before :) its cool

switched from a more pl training/diet to body building which obviously is alot more strict. seems to be working well thus far

[RJH8541]

HOPEFULLy eventually a competing bber lol I'm shooting for middle weight bbing. been in the gym for 13yrs lost 174lbs and im doing finishing touches now. and yes you asked before :) its cool

switched from a more pl training/diet to body building which obviously is alot more strict. seems to be working well thus far
OK, i won't forget now.

Congrats on the HUUUGE weight loss alos. That's a feat in and of itself.

Any reason you won't try any test? Have you before?

P.S.

Nice rack :D

[Sadie]

OK, i won't forget now.

Congrats on the HUUUGE weight loss alos. That's a feat in and of itself.

Any reason you won't try any test? Have you before?

P.S.

Nice rack :D

thanks i lost 145lbs of it in 7 months and the last bit since feb. i wont try test because i like my voice not having to shave and not needing an athletic supporter to jog lol the chances of virilization have got to be more with test. i know a few women that compete and use it and they practically need DNA testing to prove they are women.. that is not what i am about. i think through hard work, genetics and less harsh aas i should be pretty set.

p.s thanks i send my dr ty notes alot :)

[RJH8541]

i think through hard work, and genetics i should be pretty set.

:)

I think this is the MAIN answer!!

Good job and good luck. Lemme know if I can be of any help.

[Sadie]

I think this is the MAIN answer!!

Good job and good luck. Lemme know if I can be of any help.

you really have helped alot already i do appreciate it :)